History of Kralorela
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"Dragons created the World Glorantha, and said it is not substantially real because illusion is the Magic, but also said,
void is relationship that links everything that was from Utuma. Thus Paradox resolves this contradiction of Magic."
Each Reigns of Emperors and Map Domains of Ancient Kralorela (Abzered,
According to Greg's Map on Vithela file.....(somewhat confused is difference of Greg's Original Map (available for GTA members) in 1998 and Steve Lieb's computer graphic map.)
|Cycles||Minor Events||Kralorelan Rulers||Godlearner Taxonomy|
|Creation Cycle||Green Age|
|High Gods Cycle||TarnGatHa||Golden Age|
|Gods Cycle||HeenMaroun||Storm Age|
|Demi Gods Cycle||Happy Conquest||Daruda, Thalurzni||Great Darkness|
|Atrocity War||Mikaday, Vayobi, Sekever|
|Austerity War (Grey Age?)||Vayobi, Vashanti|
|Human Cycle||Dawn Age||Yanoor||Time|
|Third Age||Godunya, Sheng Seleris, Godunya|
Historian of Clocktower (Lunar Cycle): First, Great Mystery exists in everything as a manifestation of Ouroboros.
And scholars don't agree what was that.
Vashanti Scholar (Confucian Agnosticism): Of course we don't know what the meaning of it. These are at least good metaphor how our perception and idea is from Time.
Historian of Clocktower (Lunar Cycle): But then, dualism appears in Kra and Lor, as inhale and exhale of him, Power of Hakka and Miracle combines here as Paradox, and from it born Six Ancestral Entities.
Vashanti Scholar (Confucian Agnosticism): They are called Ebe and Okerio, in the euhemeristic legend of us inherited from Vithela. We don't care much about what we are not sure on the contrary of barbarians who are trapped in their illusional mythologies.
Historian of Clocktower (Lunar Cycle): The six was primal cosmic components and from them, power of Silence, Secret, Being, Experience, Thought, Spirit emerges Elements that compose both Material and Spiritual existences.
Vashanti Scholar (Confucian Agnosticism): And they (Scholars of Clocktower) assumed that they found the pattern of History, so as Sky Entities, Their "Moon" , Lokarnos, and Sun will be move routinely without considering the intervention of willingness of people. Bah, they reject freewill of humanity.
Historian of Clocktower (Lunar Cycle): Gradually, our ancestors hope everything will get maturity more soon, so the world began to age rapidly, but it had unintentional effect to people, people and things grow aged.
And Timeline along with Whole History of Vithelan Continent.
(Below is translated from my Japanese Version Genertela Box, if you let
me know accurate quotation of the original English Text, I will replace
this to yours soon.)
In Glorantha Book of Old Genertela Box, "the physical remnant of that Age [Philosophical Age before Mythic Age] can be evidently found in everything (Kralori), cannot be found in obvious manner (Malkioni), sometimes apparent, but sometimes not. (Lunar).
In Genertela Book, Kralorelan Empire has continued "Five million (5,000,000)
Generations". If you let me repeat to apply foolishness of historians
in King of Sartar (Sorry, Greg!) by converting generations to actual years,
it might be 100,000,000 years (though there is no assurance people breeding
in Mythic Era as in History). Comparing this to Revealed Mythologies p.
54, each of cycles are ten times ten ten times years (ten billion years),
thus 10,000,000,000 years. (Before Sun, Death and Self-conscious....) If
I force this to adjust former to latter, Mythic Age men lived more than
But I suppose there is great difference between cosmology of Kralorela and that of Vithela. Quick thought, Kralorela is nearest area of Sortum in Vithela, it might be called Land of Hakka, (Doubt, Scientific Skepticism? See Peter Metcalph's Assumption that TarngatHa = Dogsaru) and my clear dualistic concept of Tibet and China......so, maybe it is plausible that some Kralori has quite otherworldly perception of Time before History (as Tibetans and Indians which don't care much about Historical Record), while other group has quite rigid concept of Time and History, good at record keeping by astrological and mechanical technology and art, as Real World Chinese Historians since Sima Qian.
Timekeeping: Great Scholars
Kuchawn: Accurate (Scientific Analysis?) Time Keeping, Philosophical, Logical and Otherworldly. Only this city remains and helped Godunya overthrow remnants of Sheng Seleris Zolathi by its tantric? practice.
Clock Tower Island of East: Non-chaotic Lunar? (See Stephen Martin's assumption about Mythic Age eastern Moons in Moon Rites) Once Emperor Thalurzni founded to recover the glory of Metsylan Age, by understanding secret of History, by making Great Mechanical Clocktower which symbolized six Ancestral Beings. Vayobi finally destroyed it. (Perhaps Kralori thinks Moon was artificial construction of Mythic Age ancestors consist of Six Phases?)
Goropheng: Alchemistic Perception to Time...? Humanized Timekeeping, illogical but naturally sounds for mundane world people (Divine Emperors hold only short reign spans comparing to "Otherworldly" Vithelan timetables according to Real World Chinese Technic.)
(Perhaps finally all destroyed by Dragon Awakening Shudder and Godunya, for contaminated by God Learners?)
As I wrote in the pages of Emperor Thalurzni:
My Image about Kralorelan Legendary Emperors
Metsyla: Solomon, Confucius, (Yin)
Shavaya: Fire, Sun, Egyptian Phalaoh, Emperor Yellow= Huang-Ti (Yang)
Daruda: Avalokitesvara, Emperor Sinnou= Shen-nung (Bull), Fukki= Fu Xi (Serpentine Legs) (Balance) Darkness, Roman Trajanus
Thalurzni: Smith, Wayland, Cullervo (Illmarinen?) in Scandinavian Myth, Emperor Sengyokku= Juan Xu, Uu= Zi-Yu (Storm and Iron) (Yin), Hadrianus
Mikaday: Emperor Gyou= Yao, Shun=Shun (Yang) Earth, Pius
Vayobi: Emperor Cyuu (Evil), Antonius, Mikabosi, Star, Ambidextrous (Harmony) Water
|１||SEA /DISORDER||SILENCE / Wise Passivity||Creation||UnLo divide himself willingly.|
|2||SEA /HARMONY||SILENCE / Tranquil Composure|
|3||SEA /DEATH||SILENCE / Lucid Stillness|
|4||SEA /FERTILITY||SILENCE / Taciturn Solemnity||Dogsalu was seduced by Life Yothenara|
|5||SEA /STASIS||SILENCE / Fortunate Incapacity|
|6||SEA /MOVEMENT||SILENCE / Profound Solitude|
|7||SEA /ILLUSION||SILENCE / Futile Annihilation||Dogsalu lost his Hakka and got power of Enlightenment.|
|8||SEA /TRUTH||SECRET / Erudite Obfuscation||High Gods||Metsyla got power from Govmeranen|
|9||FIRE /DISORDER||SECRET / Concealed Truths||Metsyla built his cities and civilisations|
|10||FIRE /HARMONY||SECRET / Privy Trust|
|11||FIRE /DEATH||SECRET / Inner Knowledge|
|12||FIRE /FERTILITY||SECRET / Constrained Discretion|
|13||FIRE /STASIS||SECRET / Esoteric Reality|
|14||FIRE /MOVEMENT||SECRET / Lurking Ambuscade|
|15||FIRE /ILLUSION||BEING / Naked Essence||Gods|
|16||FIRE /TRUTH||BEING / the Fervid Soul|
|17||EARTH /DISORDER||BEING / Cheery Exhilaration|
|18||EARTH /HARMONY||BEING / Vitality|
|19||EARTH /DEATH||BEING / Absolute Innascibility|
|20||EARTH /FERTILITY||BEING / Pleasant Torpor|
|21||EARTH /STASIS||BEING / the Journey's End|
|22||EARTH /MOVEMENT||EXPERIENCE / Practiced Sagacity||Demi Gods|
|23||EARTH /ILLUSION||EXPERIENCE / Adroit Readiness|
|24||EARTH /TRUTH||EXPERIENCE / Conscious Insight|
|25||DARKNESS /DISORDER||EXPERIENCE / Ingenious Success|
|26||DARKNESS /HARMONY||EXPERIENCE / Exquisite Sensation|
|27||DARKNESS /DEATH||EXPERIENCE / Poignant Memory|
|28||DARKNESS /FERTILITY||EXPERIENCE / Dull Oblivion|
|29||DARKNESS /STASIS||THOUGHT / Assured Credence|
|30||DARKNESS /MOVEMENT||THOUGHT / Seeking Comprehension|
|31||DARKNESS /ILLUSION||THOUGHT / Intelligent Incredulity|
|32||DARKNESS /TRUTH||THOUGHT / Sufficient Omniscience|
|33||STORM /DISORDER||THOUGHT / Hesitant Cognizance|
|34||STORM /HARMONY||THOUGHT / Mature Nescience|
|35||STORM /DEATH||THOUGHT / Mindless Dolor|
|36||STORM /FERTILITY||SPIRIT / Exuberant Creation|
|37||STORM /STASIS||SPIRIT / Portentous Gloom|
|38||STORM /MOVEMENT||SPIRIT / the Unpathed Waters|
|39||STORM /ILLUSION||SPIRIT / the Living Glebe|
|40||STORM /TRUTH||SPIRIT / Effulgent Radiance|
|41||SACRED TIME||SPIRIT / Novel Tempestuousness|
|42||SACRED TIME||SPIRIT / Universal Ruin||Vashanti destroyed the World and remade.|
A theory attributing the origin of the gods to the deification of historical heroes.
[After Euhemerus, fourth-century B.C. Greek philosopher.]
See arbitariness of Histroy as good another example of Ancient Record Keeping, by Nick Brooke.
(For I think Dara Happa is another good example that has similarity to RW ancient China, as Kralorela.)
According to Tantrists of Godunya's court, Mandala of TarnGatHa and HeenMaroun are:
|TarnGatHa||Six Ancestry (Silence, Secret, Being, Experience, Thought Spirit) and Orxili||Six Worlds (Gods World, Spirit World, Essence Plane, Middle World, Underworld, Chaos) and Dragon World.||Time||About Six Worlds, see Teshnan "Hero Quest Voice"|
|HeenMaroun||Four (Five?) Virtues (North Innocense -> Ignorance, West Intelligence -> Materialism, East Wonder -> Illusion and South Pleasure- >Indolence)||Four (Five) Elements (Northeast: Shadow Cancer, Northwest: Earth Eater, Southeast: Secret Water, Southwest: Star Permutator)||Space||See my story of Emperor Thalurzni and his Furnace|
|Spirit World||Dragon World||Material World|
|Gods World||Essence Plane|
Dogsalists Teaching about Tantric Method. [IIRC, Dogsalu = TarnGatHa was suggested by Peter.]
[This is commonly told in the Tantrists of Kralori before New Dragon Ring destroyed Ancient Ritual of Utuma, but Mandarins accused its heretical way and condemned it is from Sortumite as lies to corrupt people and evil propaganda, as the Prince of Chaos, Govmeranen, called a cousin of Arlu and Bandan. (Hakka is the source of speculative mind (Sorcery?).) ]
To achieve the Truth, to refuse the quitessence of Ordinary World and to affirm the World of Dragons, We have True Mystery of Dogsalu, which was from TarnGatHa and HeenMaroun, but concealed by Daruda for its risk and dangerous way to help populace.
When Yothenara mated with Vith, his pillar turned into Dogsalu the Serpent [TarnGatHa], the Pillar met the Gate of Heaven and Ecstasy overwhelmed his existence, but he couldn't stop his essence distilled to outside, so Glorantha was made from this spillage of ejaculation. Dogsalu was his Kundalini. (See Three Against One Myth.)
Prince of Chaos was grown among adpara, and they gifted him many beautiful womento bind when the Prince of Chaos [Govemeranen = HeenMaroun =Yelm] tried to purge himself from the taint of Evil, by the malicious will of his cousins and parents to chain inside of Adpara's realm, almost all of sages refused him, Mashunasan is no exception. Though NyangMao stayed with him for a while, his taint was so deep and so strong, so simply thousand times of reincarnation and punishment isn't enough, so HeenMaroun meditated upon the Mountain and found the power to take this World as it is by himself, by finding the way of [Karlachakra].
Ebe also practiced [Mother Tantra] but failed tragically many times, so created many false races until he mated with Okerio.
Myth of Hakka and Dogsalu, variation of Vithelan Myth. (Teaching of Kralori Tantrist?)
When Grand Ancestry meditated upon himself, he watched the Silence that filled the World. He created the Secret that makes his life with meaning. Thus Being emerged from it, but from it, Hakka also exposed. One by one, he experienced the illusional facades that covered, and destroyed it by his Thought. But he could not find anything but Void. From, Nihilism, Dogsalu appeared and attacked the Goddess of Love. I coiled around TarnGatHa, Spirit of Grand Ancestry. Suddely, he realised that Void itself is illusion, entangled by yourself, and truly liberated, and his Sorrpw and Doubt dissolved into nothing. Thus Grand Ancestry commited Utuma, and Six made the Silence which completed the Grand Cycle.
Korgatsu Tradition, Shan Shan Mountain. (IMG, body of HeenMaroun) Dragon
Influence of Sortum.
First and Last Human Emperor of Kerendaruth. It seems that he is virtuous, but some kind of tragic figure. See my opinion contained in the tale of Shavaya and his daughter, Miyo in the second cycle of Cat and Thunder Man.
He enlightened Solar Storm, it might be related to Bloody Sun and Rain that is mentioned severally in Kralori History. (It relates Symbolic Blood = Sun?)
See my story about his ambition and desire.
Yanoor's Great Deeds: Sunstop (Symbolic Meaning), Enemy of Non-humans,
Discussion with Vashanti? Formalism vs Mysticism? (Zen?) Philosophical
Understranding of the World along with phenomenon of Decline of Magic in
Inner World.....It is similar to Khordavu's refoundation of DH religion,
(but both Khorzanelm and Ordanestyu are from him....)
Tolerant Attitude to Foreigners? and Sea-communication: Opening of Port Lur Nop
Discussion between Zen Buddhists and Tantrists?
Sandy Petersen or someone said, "ShangHsa is Yanoor."
[Terra:] Even in [Alex's] Glorantha, I assume some (many?) people of Kralorela hate exarchs who fled to North and enjoyed good life by defeating mere trollkins while they suffered under the Yoke of ShangHsa and failed revolts of Heseroon Marn. Exarchs might have brought back Tantric Methods to mainland after Godunya overthrew ShangHsa, but some people (didn't escape from there) don't admit it is traditional way of Kralorela.
[Peter:] That's an interesting insight. That many Kralori sages practice magical techniques developed during their sojourn in the New Kingdom of Wisdom that are viewed as corrupt and ignorant by the mainstream.
[Terra:] I still think there is some similarity to enigmatic Zolathi="Saka" Morn sect and Kralori tantrism, but don't have strong opinion on it, except RW example that relationship between tibetan Sakya sect and Mongolian Empire.
[Peter:] Hmm. So Saka Morn could be an Ignorant practice that was purified during the New Kingdom of Wisdom? So that when Sheng Seleris studies it, he sees the evil possibilities latent in these teachings and succumbs?
Exarchs from KoI brought Tantric Method to Kralorela? (Alex?)
Life is Slavery....."perverted" Doctrine of Saka Morn = Zolathi
Sect belief derived from Kralori (Mahayana?) teaching. Perhaps Sheng is
Antigod in Eastern Cosmology, but he is Great Hero and Ruler of Pentian
Nomads, see Description in Sons of Kargzant. Pentians are not evil, just
Map of Chi Ting
Eunuchs: West, Dragonsons, Sorcerers of Thalurzni (According to HeroQuest
Voices and Peter Metcalph's Idea)
Yogists? Shamans?: North, Daruda Tradition, Ecstatic (Tantric) Rite) of Yanoor?
Mandarins: East, Tradition of Mikaday and Vashanti, Theists
Below is excerpt from my personal post to Efendi and editors of Zin Letter
I managed to make the map of Kralorela with Chinese Characters, with help of IBM Homepage Builder, Webart Designer soft. I want to express my gratitude for you have helped greatly with your linguistical knowledge and especially with your ability on modern Beijing Dialect, though I am not sure friends of Suomi love it or not, (for Kralori are not Chinese, so their characters are not chinese character, even if it might be similar to it)
(To friends of Suomi: sorry, this is only written in Japanese, please watch only maps if you can't read explanations and comments.)
To Olli Kantola:
This is an attempt to make rough guideline, not want to make canon. As RW gamers of Europe and America prefer to write down "Snakepipe Hollow" rather than to do more strictly attached to true Sartar language, "Ginijji", (for phonogram people, pronunciation is far more important than the shape and form of characters) that is our feeling and attachment to our traditional way of record keeping. In RW, still many Chinese taoists believe Written Language holds magical power and don't drop or fling [written paper] clumsily, [burn papers if they finish to use.]
If Kralori characters derived from some kind of runes as I supposed (for
I think rune is a sort of pictograph or familiar with it rather than alphabetic
phonograph), perhaps it might similar to the relation between Ancient Egyptian
Demotic and Hieroglyph. Before First Emperor forcefully unified all of
Chinese Characters in Qin Dynasty, each of independent states used different
characters. If I have chance, I want to convert the map into the realm
of more epigraphy.
If I have chance, I want to draw about the capital of Kralorela, Chi Ting
with quite different approach, please see panoramic 3D mandala of Karlachakra
Sample vague plot is like.....(though I have only still very rough image...)
<<Now, Godunya waits and begins final transformation in the cocoon made by silkworms of friendship, many of his disciples has argued about the interpretation of latest August's prophesy and addresses of Yellow Emperor, while mandarins overlook the mundane affair, war generals, remnant of alchemists and eunuchs united and intrigue to find new Emperor by themselves while Orthodxy Dragon Circle concentrate on the making of new Mandala.... many nationalists and good-will low mandarins see this bad omen, and try to find the way to avoid forthcoming civil war.....>>
To Matti Jarvinen: (Sorry, I am not sure how I am rude when I shamelessly
spell your name without umlaut)
I hope you don't feel difficult on I used your Kralori Map for my project, about Zin Letters, certainly in Genertela Box, many names are similar to modern Beijing Dialect. (But it seems that Greg changed his mind for I see many non-chinese like terms (TarnGatHa, Seralaloon, etc...)) in Revealed Mythologies after the Avalonhill Box. Maybe it is from Tibetan Language according to Alex Ferguson's assumption? I am not sure.
Secret of Chi Ting
Godunya is now ready on the final transformation inside of Cosmic Chamber (Great Mandala of Karlachakra?). Emperor is not merely a political machine but a vessel of power for Kralori to achieve the Absolute in Kralorela.
That is no simple task....for he tries to recover Lost Seven Provinces
linked by Bridges, his task turned into more difficult, for his connection
to Sky Energy, his skin color turned into Golden, the watery realm will
be Earthly if he succeeds.
The ritual of Bodhisattva is an attempt to the souls / spirits / essences
of Summerland Heaven into Dragon, in each of end of Kralori Emperor's reign
has been enacted such ritual, but the procedure is replaced / lost / perversed
by the characteristics of emperors and outsider invasion. It must be enacted
to balance Three Worlds Magic (as in Middle World) even though each of
potential potency and unified as whole to open the way to Mystical Draconic
That of Daruda was most orthodox, but now lost. (Animistic Procedure?)
That of Thalurzni was Sorcerous, Materialistic but his famous Furnace properly
balanced Three Potentials, but he failed to make whole of Empire into Ascension
by Alchemical Transformation. (Its method enlarged the diversity of each
of provinces?) Eunuchs later misapplied Orgiastic Flavor to his teaching
as in Tibetan Tantric Source?
That of Mikaday turned into "Traditional" Form (Chinese Style?
Enacting Ritual of Sky and Earth? by First Emperor? in the mountain of
Tai.) In Confucianism Style, mandarins administrated ritual? But Dragonsons
also took a role. (More Diversity for he didn't show concern to unity.)
Vayobi drowned to Suam Chow and didn't do the ritual properly, but Thrunhin
Dah did substitutional role. And he demanded earth into Water....(Materialistic
Unity, but not in spiritually)
Vashanti returned to more traditional form. And most mandarins see his
ritual of Web of Righteousness is best to avoid contamination of Outside
World and keep tradition of Ancient Dragon.
Yanoor had barbarian influence and did the ritual improperly over hill,
pagan style of Shavaya, before Daruda over Hill. (For Kralori don't revere
Mountain as RW Chinese?) Much Outlandish Influence? (For inbalance, many
Kralori improperly self-sacrificing in final transformation for their poor
attempt to make balance of Three?)
Shang Hsa EWF and Godlearner Influence, again Sorcerous? But he didn't
make effort to ascend. Draconic Shudder and War in Heaven indicated their
failing to unify Sky and Earth.
Godunya is an incarnate of mercy. [Avalokiteshvara?] And his first seclusion
in the city of Hsin Yin as merely a belt buckle maker, second in Dragon
Pass, third in Plateau of Statue doesn't indicate only his humility but
his attempt to test kralori mandarins whether ready to recover the Good
Sheng Seleris.....Tibetan Tantric Influence along with Sakya Sect in Mongolian
Empire of RW.
Godunya Again. His seven bridges.
Story of Godunya (Yellowskinned Monk) and King Boggle
Six Chakras?: Silence, Secret, Being, Experience, Thought, Spirit
What Will occur if the ritual fail?
*Godunya goes to mad and begins to eat eunuchs and mandarins. By literally transforming into scaled gigantic lizard but completely crazed.
*Palace turns into Ground Zero and destroys whole in Atomic Bomb manner.
*As in Yanoor's fail, ghost began to stalk the world and life turned death / vice versa.
What Will occur if the ritual succeed?
*Suam Chow recedes and Ancient Lost Provinces appear along with Ancient Strange Fauna and Flora.
*(By Sacrificing all of outside world (hurrah :-)) ), Kralorela finally
resplendent with Ancient Glory.
*People comes to mad as dragonewts, but quite happy state of beings.
Vague and Arbitrary Comparison between RW Chinese Dynasties and Reigns
of Kralorelan Emperors
Legendary Emperor Names: http://www.pantheon.org/
Dynasty Names: http://www.chinaknowledge.de/index.html
|Cycles||Minor Events||Kralorelan Rulers||Mystical China (Taoistic)||Historical China (Confucian?)|
|High Gods Cycle||TarnGatHa||三皇Three Mythic Emperors|
|Metsyla||五帝Five Legendary Emperors||商Shang|
|Shavaya, Sekever||尭Yao||周、戦国Zhou, Warring States|
|Demi Gods Cycle||Happy Conquest||Daruda, Thalurzni||舜Shun||秦、漢Qin, Han|
|Atrocity War||Mikaday, Vayobi, Sekever||禹Da-Yu||三国、南北朝Three Kingdoms, North and South Dynasty|
|Austerity War (Grey Age?)||Vayobi, Vashanti||隋Sui|
|Human Cycle||Dawn Age||Yanoor||唐Tang|
|Imperial Age||ShangHsa||五代Five Dynasties|
|Third Age||Godunya, Sheng Seleris, Godunya||宋、元、明、清Song, Yuan, Ming, Qing|
What is Pragmatism in Glorantha?
Q: What is pragmatism and practicality in Glorantha? Because we know there is no "magic", no supernatural entities in Real World from the point of view of Objective sense. But Glorantha is inherently magical and its physics cannot be separated from magic. And magic practitioners "subjectively" perceive other worlds and denizens of afterlife.
A: I think pragmatism and practicality still exist even in Glorantha, because Material World is firm and common, but othersides are fragile and much depend on the perception of practitioners. Thus agnostics (like people of No God Church in Heortland) exist and dailylife takes precedence over moral of afterlife and knowledge of traveling othersides. Nomads live in severe circumstance and can't afford to pay much concern about ceremony.
We know Confucius was agnostic about religion (though he certainly pay reverence to tradition as tradition.) and said tradition and ceremonies are important to live virtuous and humanly.
Discussion with Alex Ferguson: About Unity and Diversity of Kralorela