High Kingship of All Vingkotling Tribes
Kingship of Dragon Pass
History of Heortland
Difference between Joerg Baumgartner and Peter Metcalph
Last Revised 23/Oct/2003
According to the release of Hero Quest and Esvular Voices
High Kingship of All Vingkotling Tribes
(Below is most derived from my discussion with Joerg Baumgartner, and though I know I should not leave
my "wrong" thought about KODP in this essay, I personally feel some sympathy to Lamarck Theory,
that got some sympathizer in the Soviet Union. Thus I leave it for my intention confusing readers.)
As you know, there is series of folks which called themselves aside from Heortling including Sartarites, in the
southern coast of Maniria, there is Harandings, (Joerg: The Harandings were Dureving Orlanthi from
Maniria. (Storm Tribe) Nick Brooke called them Manirian Hsunchen Orlanthi?)
And Talastarings (which once produced notorious Lokamayadon and his Tarumath worshippers,
and Lanksti and Delelans of Ralios, they uses the Top of the World for Kero Fin which
Heortling uses as the Greatest Mountain. (It is very complicated because modern converted
north Barbarian Belt People which once worshipped are called Alakorings, some of them
are once Vingkotling, others are not.)
There are other orlanthi aside from these important Barbarian Belt people in Fronela and
Umathela of Pamaltela. And some of Vingkotling like Esrolians
(They are originally Vingkotling Main Tribe, Kodigvari)
abandoned Orlanthi Way in the past and didn't return to it.
Titles of Heortling High Kingship
Joerg: It doesn't make much sense to write up a one-person cult, really.
"It stems from the voluntary appointment of an individual into a position of
power. It is inherent in the nature of people to find it difficult to agree
together and this is reflected in the stormy and tumultuous ways of the airy
gods. Strength and the right to rule stems from below, ...."
(Wyrm's Footprint p.76 Cosmic Kingship)
It seems that on the contrary of Yelmic Culture, the Orlanthi of South
Peloria and Dragonpass choose their boss by more practical need. And
their (High) Kingship were rather anomalous without consistency of
tradition. So maybe such work is meaningless trying to grasp their
consistency of "the Firsts of their Society" not like the Yelmic Emperorship
in the article of Yelmic Cult in Fortunate Succession.
And about the High Kingship,
both Dar and Vingkot High King Subcult (Thunder Rebels)
haven't concerned it,
maybe the rite of true High Kingship was lost,
(or did never exist or perfectly changed after the many cataclysm.) I think
the rite was originally related to the bloodline of Vingkot and Kodig. (I think though the membership
concept of Kodigvari in Gwandorling Saga may certainly a good idea, it will make difficult to
explain about why they Esrolians eventually banished their kinfolk and
didn't choose to Kingship.
High King (Irish-Celtic Ard-Ri? or Pendragon title in Arthurian Legend
Era of Vingkot
Vingkot has a power that "none could stand against him. (Jeff Richard, enclosure p.17)"
and his people were rather demigods than mere humans.
They built Great Fortresses which their descendants could not make such large scale works
(See Orlanthi Hill Fort of Issaries.com WWW http://www.glorantha.com/new/heortling_hillforts.html).
And later King Heort and Andrin revised the Law and Custom suited to Mortality
which Heortling had gained during the Great Darkness.
Era of Kodig
Kodig and their family (bloodline?) have established only the Kodigvari
could make original Leader of Vingkotling, (Enclosure) I don't know the
meaning of this restriction enough, and how the qualification should be
extended in the Legendary Age (I think History always let authority make
abuse of precedence), anyway, after Sword and Helm were separated and
Esrolvuli expelled all pro-traditional Vingkotling, there were no High Kings
(There was already diversity between Winter Tribe and Summer Tribe: Jeff Richard)
Era of Rastagar
Before or After, Heortling and Haranding fought for the territory though
both of them were Orlanthi and followed similar custom. (See Arrowmound Myth in King of Sartar)
I don't know well about the origin of other Orlanthi aside from Vingkotling, (though it seems
many of them insisted the blood of the Great God, Orlanth, like Harandings Drorgalar.)
If Kinstrife of Vingkotling was the consequence inevitable on the following of
the custom of "Only Kodigvari Kings." And later King Heort reformed it by making
Priesthood and Custom of Rings and share authority among them.
Joerg: The Harandings were Dureving Orlanthi from Maniria.
But the origin story of the Orlanthi in Thunder Rebels (and Storm Tribe,
Heler, the battle between Helerings and Vingkotlings which didn't take
place) doesn't cover any Talastaring, Silylan or Ralian Orlanthi. One might
argue that they weren't any of the three Great Orlanthi Peoples.
"and the King relied so little on them he might have been atheist. His
entire life was spent fighting against trolls and chaos, and even without
the gods he was successful at it." (Enclosure: Jeff Richard)
Era of Heort
Though they seems to have ruled much larger area than Heortlings of later
Age, Great Darkness damaged greatly the population of them as their
neighborhood other folks and elder races. (Maybe sparsely populated around
thousands population? (TR p.151 "the Heortlings numbered a few thousand people.")
and many remnants of Great Darkness. I think that
was similar size of modern Glorantha for population in each 17C Heortling
tribes with very large territory.)
And their "Lightbringer" missionaries hadn't succeeded if they worked in the "overcrowded"
status of 2nd Age and / or Lunar Empire. Heort and Andrin established almost all
fundamental customs for Humanity. And his High Kingship was handed down
by each qualified people of different Heortling tribes after the extinct of
Winter Deer (Anaxial Roster).
(I don't know what kind of qualification, but it seems there were no
Female Heortling highkings
in Enclosure Highking List in the Dawn.) Maybe it explains High Kings were chosen
from Warriors. And Dawn Age Heortlings held much more magic affecting
the area around them than modern 17C Sartari. Or they exaggerate their influence.
The survivors often started out of the Greater Darkness as clan-sized or
sometimes even only stead-sized communities, but I tend to believe that all
of these groups took in even more wretched survivors.
(Such New Comers are called Nalda Bin in Sartar (King of Dragonpass)
and Forosto Jann by Tarsh Exile. (UW: Wintertop))
I note that in the Dawn Age the High King of the Heortlings usually was
not identical to the owner/holder of Kero Fin's Necklace. (See Broken Council Guidebook).
The title cannot have been "High King of the lands of the Heortlings"
(parallel to the King of Dragon Pass: See below.).
Era of Harandangian
Much Conflict in Winter Tribes against Talastarings, I don't know what kind
of custom was followed before Harmast in each of Sacred Times, (for Harmast
started the Lightbringer's Quest in the modern form.) Heortling High Kings
were chosen from both sympathizer and traditionalists against Councilic way.
And after the Council was broken, Heortlings have often appeared as an ally
of Dragonewts and Trolls in the manner of Winter Tribe.
I'd propose the I Fought We Won myth as the core Heortling myth. After all,
that's Heort's great quest. Gaining the Lawstaff was instrumental in
remaking society, but IFWW is about remaking the world.
IMO the Heortlings regarded the trolls and newts as their allies in their cause
against the Talastari and Dorastans.
Era of Garindath
The War went worse, and rather Berenethtelli Heroes led the whole Heortling
rather than High Kings. Hendreik the Freeman firstly started Outlaw
Companies. (I don't know where he founded it, but Joerg once commented
that was near of Larnste's Footprint, and later they moved to Old Highland
(Modern Heortland?). See "the Storm War" of Wyrm's Footprint p.30)
Era of Owenreth (Storm Tribe p.236 & Enclosure)
Arkat was rescued from Underworld, came and liberated Heortlings. I don't
know how much damage was forced during Gbaji War, but Hendreiki seemed to
offer shelter to refugees (or true outlaws as modern Gyffir of Hidden Gale?)
Joerg: The Hendreiki would accept their kinsfolk. Given that the tribe was founded
from refugees from the Pelorian Heortling lands, sheltering refugees from
those parts is taking in kin.
*EWF aka Youf
Era of Harasaran (Dragonpass History)
From mere Religious Title to Political Figure, by the purge (scapegoating?)
of Arkati Influence, Heortling King gradually regained much influence in
Orlanthland gained Independence from support (Oppression?) of OOO.
I don't know how was the condition in the east of Chorarinthor Bay during that age.
Joerg: The Hendriki probably didn't join the dragon movement, but didn't fight it either.
The Only Old One didn't lose much influence to the Tax Slaughter,
since he remained influential in Esrolia, but the Dagori Inkarth trolls lost
From Glorantha: Introduction to HW p.143,
"A shadowy brotherhood devoted to Black Arkat exists in Heortland but its
temple location is hidden. Its human worshippers are the eyes and ears of
Ezkankekko in the land."
So I think Kitori and Black Arkati held great influence to Heortland (Hendrikiland)
under the Kingdom of Night Era.
Joerg: The whereabouts of the Kitori during the Imperial Age are a bit unclear.
The Dawn Age Kitori had been darkness-worshipping humans (possibly descended
from Harandings?) who moved on top of Shadow Plateau - then still a fairly
pleasant land below Akez Loradak. They suffered badly from the Gbaji Wars,
possibly to extinction.
The Kitori of the Modern Age have been described as
"mixed tribe of humans and trolls", which is different to the Dawn Age tribe.
Later Greg said that they were both trolls and humans, and neither.
Much like the Only Old One when he proved to be a human and a troll.
(See below David Cake's Comment)
Era of Orlmandan
Conflict Priests versus Kings. I don't know how Dragonic Priests treated
Heortling Highkings after they killed Orlmandan. Rule of Puppet Masters or Vacancy
of the Throne? Anyway, in EWF, Priests ruled their social structure and much
mundane affairs, and such status let them keep large population for large
cities and unity of large area without straying from Heortling Way. But
there was another trap.....
*Alakoringa High Kings
Era of Alakoring
Much Ralian Influence. (Maybe Alakoring didn't know the concept of High
King. TR p.246, I think thought-provoking his subcult was Latin word
Joerg: In my opinion it should have been "regulus", "little king". Alakoring's rites
took the power from the priests and placed them under his lesser kings.
I don't know whether there was united kingdom under him or not.
(Or Alakoring abandoned his companions several times as Arkat moving from
Halikiv (?), Lankst, Delela and flying over to Nidan Mountains, Aggar, Elder
Wild and Dragonpass....)
Joerg: I find this comparison apt, as far as the time he probably
spent with his peoples is concerned.
But at least his influence was so great that later of the people of Orlanthi
north of Death Line have called themselves Alakorings.
(P. S. His Crown was lost in Balazar. Very Strong Magical Treasure Containing Order to Priests?)
In my opinion, the schism of Winter tribe and Summer tribe appeared
again as Pro- and Anti- EWF.
Joerg Baumgartner on the founding of Orlanth Rex
In my opinion what Alakoring did was to take the giant tribes (modern
examples would be the Tarsh tribe under Yarandros or the Hendriki tribe)
and split them into smaller tribes.
As far as I know, the Second Age Orlanthi were organized in large tribes
controlled mainly by their priesthood, which provided the supra-regional
communication and coordination. The kings were as often as not tools in the
hands of the top priesthood. I don't know how widespread sacrificial kings
were, but I do see some similarities to the priesthood's control over the
king in the Slaine comic where the hero gets behind the secrets of the
druids and manages to control them rather than the other way round. I
believe that this is what Alakoring did.
Joerg: Alakoring seems to have held power in Aggar for a while,
though we don't know how long. All we know is that he was shot by Tobosta
Greenbow and there
escaped obliteration in the Dragonkill War
(so he could be present in the Godplane parts of Castle Blue in 1247).
Era of Verenmars
Though he was a son of the Dara Happan Emperor and a Carmanian Princess,
Verenmars accepted much Alakoring Customs for ruling his shared World with
his brothers. (Or Harald Smith thought so.) I don't know whether his Dynasty
survived the Catastrophe of Dragonkill or not. But it seems they also kept
their First among Them as High King, and maybe it means "Successor of True
Orlanthi Kingdom after Heortling was corrupted by Draconic Blasphemous Way."
They changed their name Alakoring, as Heort changed their name to Heortling
Joerg: From Harald's King list it appears that the dynasty died out (or laid low)
before the Dragonkill, and the land became part of the combined
Carmanian/Dara Happan Empire. http://www.glorantha.com/greg/q-and-a/emperorDragons.html
IMO the Alakoring kingship is restricted to tribal kingship (over small
tribes). Anything larger is either a warlord forming a temporary alliance
(like Greymane among the Solanthi), or a Sacred King like the Kings of
No, wait, this doesn't explain King Rascius of Aggar or the Talastari (I
known they aren't Heortlings, but they do follow Alakoring customs) High
Kings, and only partially the Queen of Holay. There is nothing to indicate
any "sacred" component in Rascius' kingship over Aggar, nor in Bolthor's.
Dragonkill (I hesitate to add the suffix "War" to Dragonkill) made completely divide
North and South (maybe Magical Contact wasn't prevented as Syndics Ban
and Heortlings could feel the Fail of Lightbringer's Quest of Karsten of Brolia
and the Rise of Shepelkirt even in Heortland. (KOS))
*Tarshite (High) Kings
Though I know most of time of its domain didn't include most of the former
great territory of "United Kingdom" or Empire like that of Vingkot, Heort or Youf,
certainly sometimes it held great power over the surrounding lands beyond mere local kingdom, like
the reign of Yarandros (He obviously called himself as Vingkotling successor, see UW: Tarsh in Flames)
and Phargentes (Though Lunarized and abandoned Orlanth worship, his domain
as a Imperial Overseer of Provinces rivalled to the pinnacle of Tarsh's greatest influence.)
Era of Arim
Arim crossed Deathline and went to Kero Fin and met Solana Tor, (I don't
know where she was from after Dragonkill: some of Gloranthaphile says she was a ghost
or a daemon I don't know well about how great was the conflict among Hwarin Dalthippa,
Mithuinn Moonhater, or other Storm Barbarian Alakorings, see Unspoken Word: Tarsh in Flames & Wintertops Shadow.
Joerg: Sorana Tor was an avatar of Ana Gor (and Kero Fin).
Probably not a human woman, but a daimon.
(See ST p.193 and see below about King of Dragonpass)
Era of Yarandros
Rivalry between Vingkotling (Solar?) Tradition and Heortling? Tradition. He succeeded
his title by the blood, not by the approval of Shaker's Temple and Kero Fin Authority,
and he drove Grazer Authority and replaced the cavalry army by the Pol Joni and Praxian Mercenaries.
(Though FHQ didn't appear yet.) It seems
that was betrayal to the tradition, but succeeded to gain territory in
Peloria by tolerating Alakoring Tradition.
Joerg: Reverting to Vingkotling kingship. It is also significant that his father
abdicated, rather than passing on Kingship on his deathbed.
In a warrior culture like the Orlanthi, death in battle can be regarded as
natural causes for a king. Death as sacrifice plays an important role in the
Illaro dynasty and apparently among the early Colymar tribe (which has
strong Esrolite influences).
The King of Dragon Pass game has tribal kings stepping down from their
office when there is unrest in the tribe. How common is this among Heortling
Era of Ilaro
He called his people Alakoring because he thought he was a heir of
Alakoring... (Peter Metcalph: Glorantha ITHW p.156) Maybe it means that Tarshite
was most pro-Youfish people before the invasion of Dragonslayers from North.
Era of Phargentes
He ruled the Southern Peloria as both the Lunar Governor (Overseer in Dara Happanized term)
of Southern Province and King of Tarsh, and much regained territory under
the Lunar Empire (as he was called King Slayer). Until he was stopped by High King Tarkalor.
*Dragon High King
Era of Argrath
Joerg; In my opinion, Argrath (whichever, however many) takes the "King of the Land"
concept to the extreme. King of Dragon Pass, King of Saird, Protector of Kethaela...
*(High) King of Hendreiki
Era of Daranvolath (Thunder Rebels p.152)
I don't know how much refugees from Dragonpass escaped from the invasion of
True Golden Horde and massacre of Dragonkill, but it seems Heortland became
much populated after that by people fled from Cross Line, if the many folks in "King of
Dragonpass Computer Game" followed Dragons hinted as in Clan History.
I don't know how Larnsti Brotherhood began to choose their High Kings after the Dragonkill
and before Belintar (See below about Hendreiki History), and if "High King" means
the King of All Heortling after the Dragonkill as Ivan the Great of Russia became the successor
of Roman Emperor by wedding one of the princesses of Byzantine Emperor,
certainly they could call their both by this title aside from learning the fact of
magical method to the north of "Death Line", that their former cousins
survived Dragonkill and converted to Heretical Way.
Joerg: The breakdown of the EWF came not so much as a sudden disaster,
but crept up on the people. Even before the massacre of the EWF leaders in 1037 (IIRC)
some groups achieved full dragonhood and disappeared from the population.
When the leaders were gone and the combined Carmanian and Dara Happan forces
raided Dragon Pass, as well as the Praxians (who did so regularly now the
land had lost its draconic protection), a southward migration may well have
been attractive to some of the Kerofinelans.
The Golden Horde didn't come entirely as a surprise, either, so a fair
number of last minute refugees may have swept into Kethaela.
(From the Taming of Dragon Pass campaign)
by Jeff Richard
In the 1300s Hendrikiland and Heortland are not synonymous. The Hendriki
are a large, pre-Alakoring tribe founded in the wake of Arkat's liberation
of Kethaela. Although "Heortlings" (as opposed to Esrolvuli, Harandings, or
Talastari) in the broad cultural sense, they are culturally different from
the clans and tribes in the high valleys of the Storm Mountains.
First, the Hendriki are less egalitarian than their Heortlending neighbors.
The Hendriki horse-thanes (known as "cnihts") are the province of certain
bloodlines and clans that are supported by other bloodlines or entire clans.
In other words, the Hendriki have a well-established "aristocracy" that is
supported by the free-farmers. Think Scandanavia in the 12th - 13th
centuries, no serfs, but a definite nobility.
Second, the Hendriki royal clan has supported in the late 13th and 14th
centuries a sub-cult of Orlanth known as the Aeolian Church. The "wise-men"
of this tribal cult believe, amongst other things, that Orlanth
re-established the laws of the world through his Lightbringers' Quest and
that the study of these "laws" can lead to mastery over the world. In other
words -- they are sorcerers!
The old Heortlenders, on the other hand, are dominated by the old clans of
the Ogorvaltes tribe and other Dragon Pass tribes that were destroyed
during the Dragon Kill. They are the Orlanthi that developed into the folk
recorded in the Report on the Orlanthi in KoS.
Sort of. Hendriki (or Hendreiki) have outgrown any normal size for
tribes or even tribal confederations during the roughly 1200 years
of their history starting as refugee bnd. That's why I call them
"nation". This means they have a language of their own (or had
until the emigration of the Quivini and Vendref), different local
deities, holy days and historical heroes, and different foreign
influences intruding into their customs.
Era of Andrin
If the Zombie King demoted his title only from "High King" to "King"
indicated by English Term, that is too obvious his "unnatural" conversion,
but IMHO, Pharaoh let him use March, Earl as an ambiguous terms for Belintar
could catch good buffer without offending Heortlanders. (Except Volsaxi.) But Peter seems
not to agree with this idea. (And Greg Stafford seems to want to induce
more novelty toward Heortland.)
Joerg: It is possible that Zombie Andrin used the Malkioni word for King rather
than the Heortling term for High King. (See below about Heortland History
and the Difference between Peter and Joerg)
*High King of Volsaxar
Era of Hardrard (Barbarian Adventures p.9)
Though he ruled only part of Heortland, perhaps he called him "the last
successor of All Heortling Kingdom after other Area was all corrupted by
Soulless Sorcery, Chaos or Inhuman Occupation." Whitewall was their capital.
Era of Broyan
Now High King rules only Whitewall. "We'll guard this holiest city of
Orlanth or die bravely following True Way of Orlanth."
Volsaxi says: "High King of Heortland, successor of Hardrard was only one,
Other Heortling says: "There is no King in Heortland after Rikard
disappeared, maybe we should accept Broyan if he can bring peace this land
again, until that, Earls rule us."
23 / Oct / 2003
New Setting in Hero Quest,
the land of Esvular, Bandal Tigerbane rules South Heortland by defeating Tigerhearted Rikard
and he doesn't oppose to Lunars publicly.
|Esvulari (Capital: Mt. Passant)
(Main Stream, but Misapplied Worshippers)
|Volsaxari (Capital: Whitewall)
(Traditional, follower of Larnsti Brotherhood?)
|Andrin the Golden||Hardrard the Green|
|Bandal Tigerbane||Broyan the Last|
*King of Dragonpass (FHQ & Inhuman King)
Era of Sartar
Era of Tarkalor
Era of Moirades
King of Dragonpass (My theory is different from
Joerg's and David Dunham's, but regretfully, I lost David's commentary about it.>>
What means "King of Dragonpass"?
Many Residents of Human and Demihuman live in Dragonpass Area. Though
Dragonewts and their Ruler Inhuman King possessed Hegemonic Power over All
of them, they denied Communication for their Own Nature and Past Fail of
EWF. (See also Broken Council Guidebook: Kero Fin Necklace)
Joerg: The 'newts of Dragon Pass came to an agreement with the theist powers of
Dragon Pass according to some of the earliest myths of the Orlanthi (Soul
Arranger resting at Larnste's Table next to Dragon's Eye). This is different
from Daruda's method in Kralorela.
(But we can never truly understand their Motives and Thinking. They founded
Concept of "King of Dragonpass" in Historical Line. We can understand Sartar
and Feathered Horse Queen ritually and politically wedded for Balance of Power
and Religious Reason which would bestow them Prosperity and recognition
Joerg: According to CHDP Inhuman Occupation, Ironhoof the Centaur
started the business, filling the void left by the absence of human domination and
organizing a way for the various peoples of Dragon Pass to coexist. The
trolls didn't quite cooperate, but were overcome (Battle of Smoking Ruin).
(P.S I wrote it with my own POV about KODP, but David Dunham and Joerg
didn't take so seriously in the situation chosen by Dragonewts, and pointed
out the Kingship from the Kero Fin, see ST p.218-219). For them, Ancient hero Aram,
Ironhoof and Lesser Tarshite Kings are also minor kings bestowed authroity from
Kero Fin and my emphasis about Orlanthi (Alakoring) High Kingship = Kingship of Dragonpass is ignored.)
Joerg: Arim's and Illaro's dynasties (up to Pyjeemsab) maintained a lesser
version of Arim's achievement of marrying Sorana Tor (much like Ironhoof's
successors appear to have done), but Hon-eel's intervention stopped the
Sorana Tor practices in Tarsh.
There was both a vacuum and an opportunity which led to the FHQ aiming at
becoming the avatar of Kero Fin. (I wonder how the alien worlds theme is
dealing with this...)
But why that combination required? FHQ is very magically Important Position
which gives Connection to Symbol of Dragonpass's Earth and (IMHO) Kero Fin,
and Grazers are naturally extinct Race of Pure Horse tribe which has Lost
Magic linked to Special Races of Horse and Worship of Kargzant. Some of
Materials of Herowars mentioned prophesy She has Power of Earth, which will
permit Modern "Dirty" Horse Tribes to gain or recover such power. (See RQ Genertela Box)
Grazers gained Some Magical Connections with Beastfolk and their Leader
Demigod Centaur Ironhoof when they get Permission to living in
as the Dragonpass as Dwellers and Masters of Vendref.
She didn't have absolute authority and jointly ruled many Grazer Clans and
Tribes with Luminous Stallion King of All tribe, she grips Such Power.
Joerg: Originally, the FHQ was a high shamaness of the horse people.
A feathered horse is of course a more divine form of a horse, closer to hippogriff.
Compare the Char-un breeding efforts (carnivorous stallion, winged mare) and
the Most Reverend Mother who lost the wedding contest to Hon-eel in the
Masters of Vendref wasn't part of their adoption by Ironhoof. The first
Vendref entered Dragon Pass roughly 60 years after the Grazer culture had
been founded. Ironhoof still was active in this time (RQ Companion, Pharaoh
and Ironhoof erected Stone Cross Altar as memorial to their mutual
agreement), or maybe was summoned by his successors (much like the Praxians
may summon their founders). Arim entered from the north slightly later than
the Colymar and the earliest First Wave Quivini.
"King of Sartar" referred Some Names of FHQ:
Joerg: IMO this is the complete list of FHQs. 8 queens over 160 years (1470 to 1630)
gives an average reign of 40 years per queen.
These are Lists of CHDP:
*Reaches Farthest: Wedded with Sartar, Prince of Quivin Orlanthi (Queen of
Dragonpass) Joerg: Queen of DP 1497 to apotheosis of Sartar or her death.
FHQ already around 1470.
*Keeps the Children: Wedded with Jaldanroste Redhair, but he maybe didn't
have Authority to KODP
*Mother of Lands: Wedded with Tarkalor, Prince of Quivin Orlanthi
(Queen of Dragon pass)
Joerg: Queen of DP from 1575 to 1582. Presumably has been FHQ for some time before.
*Splendid among the Proud: No Husband
*Riches Without Tears: Wedded with Moirades, King of Tarsh Kingdom (Queen of
Dragon Pass) Joerg: Queen of DP roughly 1605.
*Single Matron Woman: No Husband
*With Bitter Heart: Husband? Mother of Chieftain Jarsandron?
Joerg: Died (or sacrificed herself) in 1625. I doubt that she was Jarsandron's mother,
since Jarsandron seems to have come to power by 1605. (all of this without access to KoS)
*Reaches All: Wedded with Argrath the Liberator (Queen of Dragonpass)
Joerg: Queen of DP 1629, according to KoS. Probably until roughly 1640.
So these are conditions for King of Dragonpass
1: He is the Husband of FHQ
Joerg: Husband of an avatar of Kero Fin. For Ironhoof, this was Tara,
Lady of the Wild; for Arim, this was Sorana Tor; since Sartar this has been the FHQ.
2: He is Famous Leader of Orlanthi
Joerg: I wouldn't call Ironhoof that... ;-) Famous leader of the region fits the bill.
Neither Arim nor Ironhoof seem to have had rivals, but since Sartar and the
FHQ there have been various contestants, reviving the tradition of the
tournament for the Necklace of Kero Fin which originated (1?)78 ST after
Aram-ya-Udram's death. (Griffin Mountain)
3: He gains the Admittance of Inhumanking, true ruler of DP
Joerg: I don't think that the Inhuman King is regarded as the true ruler of DP.
It represents the acceptance of the dragons of the land, and probably the
obligation of the ruler to protect their kin from another Golden Horde.
But Sartar divorced with FHQ...
Joerg: Did he? Both his marriages to the FHQ were year marriages, as part of the contest.
Sartar had Eonistaran by a different woman, and probably left other offspring among the tribes.
Tarkalor was not Friend of All Races of Dragon Pass,
Joerg: I also have the impression that his kingship was as equal partner of the FHQ
rather than as victor of the contest. Note that his son by the FHQ,
Saraskos, appears to be raised by the Grazers.
Maybe title of KODP hasn't any actual power except some connection to Earthly Power of Dragonpass.
Joerg: The title does seem to give some tangible benefit, or neither Phargentes
nor Moirades would have contested for it. I have a theory that you have to be
KoDP in order to gain military aid from the dragonewts.
NEW KING OF DRAGONPASS INFORMATION
Kero Fin's Necklace in First Age: Aram Ya Udram (Later, Founder of Tusk Riders) ->Orlanthi?
Lady of the Wild? (Tara? Velhara?) -> Ironhoof and Luminous Stallion King Founder
Sorana Tor & House of Maran -> Arim the Pauper and Twins
Feathered Horse Queen -> Sartar, Tarkalor, Moirades
Reaches All (Incanne, Queen of Holay) -> Argrath the Liberator
*High King United Kingdom
Era of Argrath
Joerg and Peter made the matter difficult for they debated long and didn't
reach conclusion. I hope neither of them (a red dragon and a white dragon Merlin found?)
blame me for my effort to grasp compromise of the Two Dragons.
There might be possibility that I somehow omit the new information from Orlanth is Dead!,
so I omit new setting which should be mentioned in this text
and Greg's new Kerofinela Gazetteer hints something, but below is
unfinished information as far as I can collect now just from newest informations.
History of Heortland
Joerg wrote much, but Greg always makes more than his.
As far as I know, there is not enough description about Heortland in
Mythic Age. (The term indicates something new before or after of
Dragonkill.) The Land has a Void Hall when the one of Elder Gods, Larnste
trampled Chaos but the demon didn't die and bit the god's feet. (See Lords of
Terror: Krashit) There was a void Hole and the Syphon River reversibly go
upward as the Gods Age to fill the Hole as other rivers do the same to the
Magasta's Pool. (See Greg's Q&A: Interview with Greg in Oakland)
In Stormwalk, Urox killed a Giant that became one of mountain tops and windchildren
have lived there ever since, and there was Old Wind Temple inside of Hidden Valley of there.
(Joerg hinted that it was from Vingkot Lawspeaker Hantrafal.) And
God Forgots Ingareens came here before or after of Great Darkness, they made a
colony of their own and kept isolationalism except Imperial Age, Machine God
Project. Saint Aeol appeared and converted some of them to Aeolian Way, (new
setting for Hero Wars)
Firstly, Kitori was there in 1st (Dawn) Age as the Human- Darkness Friendly
People as an ally of Unity Council (Broken Council Guidebook), some
documents says that they provided Warlord (Varzor Kitor) to Second Council
and Darkness Worshippers to God Project after Trolls withdrew from the
project, anyway the land south of Orlanthi Orgovaltes wasn't called
Heortland at that time, maybe the plateau was called in Wyrm's Footprint p.
30 as mentioned as "Old Highland", but I doubt it after Greg shows precise location
of Vanntar (modern Sun Dome Templar area.) where Dayseneri and Dwarves defeated
Heortling and trolls.
Gbaji War 365 (Council Broken) to 440 (Arkat's Liberation)
Anyway, the History of Hendreiki Land started from the Hendreik Freeman and
Larnsti Brotherhood. Because Lokamayadon of Talastar and Palangio Iron Vrok
invaded to the All of Heortling Land conquered under the name of Nysalor except some exiles to
wildland, Hero Hendreik seems to have led one of such Exile Band against
Empire of Light. Trolls were confined to their Darkest Territory under earth
and dragonewts fought for their former enemy as their slaves. David Cake
said that Kitori was almost erased by Palangio, and that only Greg knew for
he said he had written it when David last talked with him about it.
When Arkat came there, he oppressed Aeolians for some of them refused to
help him. And from him, Black Arkati appeared and (I think) they helped the
revive of Kitori man-trolls, and Only Old One returned from his deepest
tunnel of Shadow Plateau.
Rise and Change of Orlanth Kingdom
It seems that some of Hendriki didn't return to their motherland of north
even after Victory of Gbaji War (for they might think only light
was replaced to darkness and Evil remained?),
stayed under the wing of Storkwalk and Larnsti Brotherhood chose their
leader while north Conquerors of Dara Happa began to rebel against Darkness
and accepted Draconic Doctrine, Joerg thinks that at that time, remnants of
hendreiki didn't particularly join or fight to Walzing and Hunting Missionary. (He also
thinks that Aeolians regained gradually power inside of Hendreiki Land, but
Peter thinks that Hendreiki was never centralized more than Clannish
Structure and kept traditional orlanthi "Free Barbarous" Way. See below
about the difference of Joerg and Peter.)
I think Ezkankekko was friendly to Stygian Empire and got profit from that
connection. 619-623 there was Georgin's Report for Uz Culture (Troll Gods)
David Cake: their history is pretty unclear in the Imperial age, as
you said. At some point, probably in that age, and I am guessing post
the death of the OOO, both [Trolls and Darkness worship Human] moved and
changed its form somewhat.
I did once try to write up the history of the Kitori for BODR
(troll issue), but Greg spiked it saying he was working on it - so,
the full history of the Kitori seems to not only be unknown (as is
common in Glorantha), but seems to be officially that way for the
My best guess is that for much of the Imperial age, the
Kitori where agents of the OOOs rule, and following his death they
fled, and asked for sanctuary with a troll tribe, as a result of
which the humans and troll tribes merged.
Invasion of Empires and Machine War 907-917
Shannon Appelcline wrote many in his "Kingdom of Night" at Tradetalk Magazine
unofficially, but Hendreiki Land was turmoilous because it came to the one
of battle of Proxy War between Empires, Machine War is the name of that
battle for 10 year siege.Victory and Sack of Locsil might be influential to
the structure of Hendreiki Land. Kingdom of Night was reluctant partner of
the alliance with Youfland. (Shannon)
*Machine War Orlanthi Heroes
Herdred the Man
Varantol the Mangler
Closing Reached to Kethaela 930-935? and EWF Leader's Death
Ezkankekko sent his army to counter True Golden Horde but it was apparent
dragonewts didn't need help such help as the Assassination of Youf Leaders,
and High King Darnvolath (TR p.152) and refugee from
Dragonpass, (though I don't know anything enough to say about High Kingship
while EWF Arangorf Priests led the politic) and I don't know how refugees and leaders
resolved the crash between them and original natives from Hendreik Day.
Joerg might think that there is big change while the flow of northmen went
south, but Peter might not agree with him. As Orlanth is Dead hinted, it killed too much to change
Hendreikiland Society) At that time, Hendrikiland might
be renamed as Heortland for then Alakoring liberated northlanders. (Though
Peter seems to think that Tarshite are Heortling by Origin, but later
converted to Alakoringan Way. (Ilaro Blacktooth began to call him
the descendant of Alakoring, not Vingkot?))
Pharaoh's regime (1313) and Legendary Battle (1318), Immigrants to
Dragonpass (1325, Colymar)
It is interesting that Colymar and Sartar were from same name clan,
Orshanti in "King of Sartar" text. It might be linked to Larnsti Brotherhood in the
brain of Peter Metcalph (he made that cult in Glorantha: Into to HW), and
Heortlanders might be greatly reorganized at that time, Four (Three?) Earldoms and many Baronies.
(But Joerg has another idea.) A least, I think Earldoms
are fixed structures than tribes or clans (Everything of political system might be temporary for
And at that time, Volsaxi (Volsaxar?) began at the Whitewall region against
Pharaohic Rule, King Hardrard the Green (BA p. 9) Peter seems to think that
Volsaxar was originally split out from Hendriki structure against Pharaoh.
(But Joerg thinks that it was the time Volsaxi perfectly split from them
when Kitori and Tarkalor began conflict for the trade route to Dragon Pass.) I
think Pharaoh oppressed Black Arkati.
Joerg seems to think that there was much Malkionism Influence (Aeolian Church?) in
Heortland and Pharaoh used them as one of the base of his six-fold Holy
Country (But Peter didn'think so.), Belintar permitted Six Political Leaders
and Six Religious Leaders to enter his City of Wonder, and his way of rule
is relatively good for each unity of six districts though we don't know well
about the condition of OOO rule. (Chaos of Foulblood Forest might made
relief for the conflict between Volsaxar and Pharaoh followed King and Earls: Joerg.)
*War against Belintar
Gustin the Hammer (ST p.236)
Hardrard the Green (BA p.9) Volsaxi
King Andrin (Glorantha ITHW p.142)
Proxy War against Lunar Empire (1545 Phargentes became Provincial
Overseer - 1616 Final Tournament of Luck and Death: JarEel assault)
Wolf Pirates Attack from Threestep Isles: 1606
Lunars gradually enlarged their influence in Dragonpass and to the Sea,
Kethaela. Greymane Invasion weakened Esrolia. Joerg thinks that the secret
war of Bryan started around that time. And adventurers from Seshnela took
oppotunity and made them into the Throne of Heortland.
Joerg and Peter most fiercely argued for that age, Richard (Rikard)'s way
of conquest and how he did to South Heortland.
King Tigerhearted 1617 -1620
Reaching Moon Megacorp set told that Richard was Rokari and never converted
Paganism or Aeolianism. I don't know how Joerg think about it, I suppose he
think Richard converted to Aeol, Peter seems to think that Rikard didn't
need it and any religious reformation was not done in his short reign.
I'm not good at modern HW day Heortland, Baron Sanuel (I don't know why he
was still "baron" though Lunars support him.) took leadership of Volsaxar after Rikard
was defeated in 1620. Siege of Whitewall started. (Old Fanzine RQ Adventures much told about it:
End of Siege 1621
Whitewall is magically and religiously important last Orlanthi Stronghold
though there are other many orlanth centers exist. ("Orlanth is Dead" told
you why.) Construction of Reaching Moon Temple.
Brown Dragon of Jarn appears.
23 / Oct / 2003
See also Lokarnos. com Site for reference.
And see my unofficial, Larnsti Brotherhood Heroband
*The difference between Joerg Baumgartner and Peter Metcalph
Here are all of differences as far as I can pick up in the debate of the
two in Glorantha Digest, some are from HW list. Peter is the one of the
writers of Glorantha: Introduction to HW. Joerg is the Old Heortland
Campaign Guru and a writer of tradetalk about Holy Country as far as I know.
Below is the observation from side. Please correct any of them if you think
I misunderstood some of the portions.
Peter thinks that Pharaoh's reign Heortland was Orlanthi Heortling aside
from few exceptions, but Joerg thinks (I guess) Aeolians held relatively
great power than Peter suggested. Peter thinks that OOO time Heortling had
only clannish structure and sacred king, (high-) kings were selected
from Larnsti Brotherhood who knew the secret of Freedom by themselves.
Joerg thinks there were big tribes
(beyond 30,000? can be.) existed. Alakoring Reform (Joerg is a strong
supporter of this idea) doesn't make great effect toward the southernmost of
Genertelan Orlanthi, he think.
Joerg thinks that there is great change when dragonkill refugees flows in
Hendreiki Land. Peter thinks that major cataclysm occurred when Pharaoh
killed OOO and the Larnsti Brotherhood (He made it.) was still strong at
that time. (IMO, at least refugees from Orgovaltes Land might not revere
Joerg and Peter long debated back and forth; here and there about the names
of Orlanthi communities: kingdom, nation, tribe, and clan. (And maybe I can
add under- or ex- to each of them.) Joerg wants to use many terms but Peter
refused, maybe it is from Peter is English origin and Joerg is not. Any
Gloranthans don't use English. We translates their actions. But Orlanthi is
very loose for the concepts as Peter said. (I still think Dawn Age
Population is not large even if they accepted many Nalda Bins, though Arkat
might killed enough....)
Joerg thinks King Richard is the religious reformer sort of, but Peter
think his reign is too short for him to make some kind of reform and he didn't need
it. (For Joerg's attachment to Malkioni-Orlanthi and Peter's his own set.)
Joerg thinks that Kitori supported Pharaoh's order when he ordered to stop
trade route between Volsaxar and Heortland. (I don't read Wyrms Footnote #6.) And
Volsaxi was totally split out from other hendriki at that time, but Peter
thinks that Volsaxar is originally ultra fundamentalists as its leaders
(like Bryan of TR) and didn't need such specific event split out from
Pharaoh's Regime. Peter is faithful to Official Setting. (Joerg might think
Peter is too much straightly faithful to official.)
Or Joerg loves RW while Peter loves Magical Structure of Glorantha.
High Kingship of All Vingkotling Tribes
Kingship of Dragon Pass
History of Heortland
Difference between Joerg Baumgartner and Peter Metcalph
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